Re: [Full-disclosure] [OT] Obama said: "American people understand that not everybody's been following the rules"

[Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@xxxxxxxxx>]

Of all the wars, crimes and massacres that happen in the world, you're
gonna sit here and tell me it's the US that the security council
should have stopped?

If that's truly your attitude, your worldview is completely FUBAR.

On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 4:29 AM, Jeffrey Walton <noloader@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 7:26 AM, Darren Martyn
> <d.martyn.fulldisclosure@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> ...And what, exactly, gave the US the right to be there in the first place?
>> Non existant WMD? Human rights? The US has to stop seeing themselves as
>> international police.
> The US can't police itself; and it has no business trying to police
> others. The UN Security Council is a joke - it should have stopped the
> US a long time ago (an impossibility under its current structure).
>
> Jeff
>
>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Obviously not.
>>>
>>> Again.  They looked like they had weapons.  The pilots weren't
>>> wondering...they were sure they saw weapons.
>>>
>>> They then engaged what appeared to be a clear threat to other US
>>> forces nearby.
>>>
>>> The pilots acted exactly as they should have, given the information
>>> presented to them.  This was a war zone, not a country club.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Jeffrey Walton <noloader@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>> > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >> Except that they weren't obviously unarmed.
>>> >>
>>> >> Not only where they not obviously unarmed, they appeared to be armed.
>>> >>
>>> >> Look at the 4 minute mark.
>>> >>
>>> >> That sure as shit looks like an RPG.
>>> >>
>>> >> The crew thought the group was armed.  Ergo, they were cleared to
>>> >> engage.
>>> >>
>>> >> This wasn't a war crime...and the allegation that it was just makes
>>> >> people look ridiculous.
>>> > Listen to yourself: we weren't sure if they were armed, so we killed
>>> > them. Put yourself and your family in the shoes of the dead folks. Its
>>> > not a comfortable place to be, is it?
>>> >
>>> > Jeff
>>> >
>>> >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:05 PM,  <Valdis.Kletnieks@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >>> On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:44:44 PDT, Mike Hale said:
>>> >>>> Seriously!  Think about the injustice of having American helicopters
>>> >>>> engage armed individuals shadowing American soldiers.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Shooting at "armed individuals" is one thing.  If it's "civilians and
>>> >>> Reuters
>>> >>> employees" who *aren't* obviously armed, it's something else.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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>>> >
>>>
>>>
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