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Re: [Full-disclosure] [OT] Obama said: "American people understand that not everybody's been following the rules"

On 10/13/2011 7:11 PM, Christian Sciberras wrote:

> So if they cause damage for profit that makes it ok?
No. But it's certainly better than doing damage without profit. Making profit means that at the end of the day, the money's going to go somewhere further in the chain. Flattening a tower, for instance, or attacking the local bank that refused to give you a loan because of the time you spent in a cell, isn't as productive. Neither is it making a company loose clients/profit just because they decided they don't want you to use their services (as if you did have a right in the first place...).
So by your logic the civil disobedience that helped sparked the revolutionary war is worse than if someone had done the same acts just to drive up tea prices? Again I also remind you the trickle down theory doesn't work
> And yes I acknowledge the American public has a measure of responsibility in the situation too, human beings are by nature imperfect, but the largest share of responsibility lies with the names listed below.
The largest share? I can see Ex-president Bush trying to sell you a bottle of beer for $10 dollars ($7 profit). Wait, I can't.
But we did see him increase deregulation and allow this to happen, we also saw him provoke a war with another country based on a known lie for the sole purpose of gaining resources and more control in the middle east. We saw him legalize torture and saw him strip away a good chunk of our civil liberties so the anti terror industry could make a buck. But like you said its ok since someone is making money off of it. Who needs civil liberties anyways right?
> That sort of thing has happened to me and I paid back every dime of it, most people are decent human beings and would do the same.
Most people? I could have sworn 90% of the people in the NYC subway would thank $deity if you suddenly dropped dead so they could get things off you. Call me cynical, but I wouldn't trust anyone else in such cases, other than myself.
Frankly 90% of people on this list would just thank $deity i suddenly dropped dead regardless of how much stuff i had :)
Regarding that list of yours, great! Now we just need a little more effort. For each of those persons, please enlighten us as to what they did legally wrong. Of course, the people that landed in jail shouldn't be counted. The "99% protest" is a modern one committed to change, it just can't right wrongs by pointing at jailed people. 


http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877339,00.html
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Laurelai <laurelai@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:laurelai@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: 

    On 10/13/2011 9:18 AM, Christian Sciberras wrote:

    I simply acknowledge the fact that some people work hard to get
    "obscenely rich", but I just can't stand people that cause damage
    for the fun of it.


    So if they cause damage for profit that makes it ok?


    Yes, I stick for everyone that minds his business, instead of
    ruining others' for the fun of it.

    What bothers me is the fact that those hypocrites (protesters)
    are crying out loud against some people they're highly envious of
    with the excuse of "the depression".
    Well, here's the news; the famous depression has been brought
    about by these same people!


    And yes I acknowledge the American public has a measure of
    responsibility in the situation too, human beings are by nature
    imperfect, but the largest share of responsibility lies with the
    names listed below.





    If someone above is collecting free money because of incentives
    for people to spend money (and which seem to work well), I can't
    blame him.


    Yes because trickle down theory worked *so* well


    How many times in your life have you paid back something you
    received by mistake and which wasn't yours?
    While I would foremost applaud anyone that would right such a
    wrong, I just can't ignore the fact that those people out there
    representing the "99%" are big-time hypocrites.

    That sort of thing has happened to me and I paid back every dime
    of it, most people are decent human beings and would do the same.



    On a different argument, since you seem to know well enough how
    some of the 1% are doing immoral things, why don't you start by
    handing out names instead of talking air just as the "99%" crowd
    has been doing up till now?

    *Alan Greenspan, chairman of US Federal Reserve 1987- 2006
    **Mervyn King, governor of the Bank of England
    **Bill Clinton, former US president*
    *Gordon Brown, prime minister*
    *George W Bush, former US president*
    *Senator Phil Gramm
    **Abby Cohen, Goldman Sachs chief US strategist
    **Kathleen Corbet, former CEO, Standard & Poor's
    **"Hank" Greenberg, AIG insurance group
    **Andy Hornby, former HBOS boss
    **Steve Crawshaw, former B&B boss
    **Adam Applegarth, former Northern Rock boss
    **Dick Fuld, Lehman Brothers chief executive
    **Ralph Cioffi and Matthew Tannin
    **Lewis Ranieri
    **Joseph Cassano, AIG Financial Products
    **Chuck Prince, former Citi boss
    **Angelo Mozilo, Countrywide Financial
    **Stan O'Neal, former boss of Merrill Lynch*
    *Jimmy Cayne, former Bear Stearns boss
    **Christopher Dodd, chairman, Senate banking committee (Democrat)
    **Geir Haarde, Icelandic prime minister
    **John Tiner, FSA chief executive, 2003-07*


    Oh yeah and lets not forget about this guy
    
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877337,00.html
    And while he is thankfully spending time in a prison cell, so many
    other names on this list go free, in fact a good chunk of them
    made a profit off of the disaster.






Oh and you didn't reply to any of my other points :)

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