Okay.
Here is the fundamental problem - we do not know the circumstances
under which the extralegal wiretaps were conducted. It is highly
likely that the wiretaps did save lives - maybe even German lives.
That is the point I have been trying to make all night. There are
certain aspects of the operations of any government (even a Republic
like the USA) that the general citizenry does not need to be privy
to. I believe this to be one of those aspects. When this material
is declassified in 25 years, we'll all know whether or not this was
worth it.
You are not going to convince me that my country is an evil place
with designs on controlling or destroying the entire world, and I'm
obviously not going to convince you that it isn't.
Jamie
On Dec 19, 2005, at 12:29 AM, GroundZero Security wrote:
let me put it this way. if you break the law to rescue people noone
would bitch about it.
that always happens that people bend the rules to rescue people.
thats perfectly fine but invading someones privacy is something
different.
the usa can invade any other country, but refuses to "invade" one
of their own states for the
only purpose to help its people without weapons but food? thats
redicilous. the usa got so much
power under their ass, but you want to tell me that the gov cant do
anything if one of its states
refuses help ? if the gov really would have wanted they could have
helped.
well at least you seem to agree on that this is wrong.
And had he done that, the liberals would very likely now be asking
whether or not it was legal for him to have done so. For the
people
that hate President Bush, nothing he does or does not do will be
acceptable. It's as simple as that.
sure, but if he would have done that it would be way less people
bitching.
the whole world would have seen bush or the u.s gov cares so much
about their peoples
lifes and safety that they bend the rules in order to protect them.
for once bush could
have had a good picture in the world media. so while you would have
a handfull that
hate bush anyways arguing about the law (which wouldnt help them as
the u.s. court wouldnt listen),
you now got the whole world asking why the fuck they didnt react
and tons of american people
who feel left alone. i feel sorry for those poor americans. soon
your rights will be all gone
because 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper' no ?