Re: [Full-disclosure] CALEA & Re: XKeyscore

[Pedro Luis Karrasquillo <peter_toyota@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 15:42:11 +0200 michal@xxxxxxxxx wrote
 "red dots are basically showing places where NSA can intercept    
communication. Any communication. Ever heard about radio links?"
 
This being a XK presentation, one would think that the map was directly related 
to XK, and not the zillion other ways spooks use to do intercepts.

"Man, you just created a mental loop in what you said. So, two lines     
earlier you said Chavez / Putin would not allow them to intercept    
communication by means of taping cables and now you are saying that"
 
Oh noes! CRC error detected. You just had a buffer overflow. Sorry I caused you 
to loop up. I never said Putin or Chavez would be in a position to agree or 
disagree with anything. Especially Chavez now that he is fertilizing the sugar 
cane.  Certainly a CALEA kind of intercept is not the only tool they could use. 
I just do not think that fiber tapping is the easiest way. It is certainly one 
of the ways, but getting the info via a backdoor is really much easier where 
feasible, like in unfriendly states. The backdoor being the CALEA capability. 
 
I really do not care what happens outside our shores, and how the NSA go about 
their business outside the US. My interest is in figuring how they manage to 
get the info domestically, and if my experience is something that been observed 
elsewhere in the US.
 
"I'm sure mr Putin would be happy to talk    with you and it might be an 
experience you could brag about all day    and night long. You should 
definitely call him."
I know, I know, should have gotten that Groupon offer for learning Russian for 
$49.... I guess I *could* call Venezuela, but who gives a damn about NicMad 
anyway?
 
"Cisco architecture is there, like there are many others. And it's    just one 
of the brands. You just use best means you have for the    situation. And it's 
accidentally managed by SNMP... so what? It    could be telnet, who cares. 
These days you just mix and match all the technologies you have for    
intercepting. And whenever you can tap the cable, you do it, because it gives 
you the best bang for the buck."
 
Exactly my point. Not sure why you all got so worked up about me pointing out 
that there are easier ways to do this than tap a fiber. Tapping a fiber is a 
good idea if there is not an easier less intrusive way. The spooks could not 
care less about money, it is all about getting it done without getting noticed.
 
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 15:42:11 +0200
From: michal@xxxxxxxxx
To: peter_toyota@xxxxxxxxxxx
CC: tborland1@xxxxxxxxx; full-disclosure@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: CALEA & Re: XKeyscore


  
    
  
  
    On 8/12/13 3:07 PM, Pedro Luis
      Karrasquillo wrote:

    
    
      
      That was really funny and tongue-in-cheek, michal!

        I really enjoyed your response, put a grin in my face in this
        grimy Monday...

        you encourage me to turn off the digest delivery and receive the
        responses as they happen instead... great list to receive real
        time if you are into S&M and getting trolled hard by very
        smart people!

         

      
    
    Happy to make you happy! :-)

    
      

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