Re: [Full-disclosure] Full-Disclosure Digest, Vol 88, Issue 11:

["Mikhail A. Utin" <mutin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

My 10 cents:
I'm glad that such discussions happen on this list. I would not consider that 
as "out of topic", because Information Security, and security in general, 
did/do include significant political component, and we cannot avoid or ignore 
it. Plus, and it is important as well, it gives as a freedom of speech and an 
ability of better understanding of each other in this "fulldisclosure" society 
of security fans and professionals.
What actually surprises me, is that people's voice of millions still unheard. 
Internet has been already used to change regimes (like in Egypt) for better or 
worse, but there is no well-known and used by everybody resource of expressing 
an opinion. I mean a magnitude of Google or Wikipedia. I'm surprised that 
Google still does not have on its default page a big button "My Opinion". I 
think that it would be much easier to implement than Maps or other services. 
I've seen in past some sites collecting public opinion, but we need such as 
Google to move that forward. Would it be beneficial to Google? I think so. To 
people? Of course. Politicians? I would bet for. The only one problem is the 
government. More likely it will be on losing end very often. So, may it be the 
reason Google did or will not implement that?

Mikhail

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We are not so savage that we decide who is powerful by military strength.  
Money plays a much bigger role in deciding power in our society; people with 
money have significant influence over the military and paramilitary police, and 
many make decisions that affect millions of people every day.  Chris Dodd 
basically stated an expectation that laws can be bought after PIPA and SOPA 
failed, as if the money the MPAA had donated to politicians was supposed to 
guarantee that those politicians would do what the MPAA tells them to do.  
Armies and wars are expensive and need to be paid for, and money is how we pay 
for such things.

Law enforcement (i.e. the use of guns) is rarely needed to maintain the power 
of money; most people accept the laws that surround money and try to follow 
them.  People pay taxes when asked politely, they pay fines and damages that 
courts assess, they repay loans when legally obligated to so, and so forth.  
Disputes over money are almost always settled without violence and without the 
need to call in the police, even in cases where people broke the law.  Even 
violent criminal gangs need money, despite being in possession of guns and 
despite a willingness to make use of those guns.

Alexander Dumas stated it better than I can:

"What I mean, my dear fellow, is that I shall do more by myself with my gold 
than you and all your people with their daggers, their pistols, their carbines 
and their blunderbusses.  So let me do it." (The Count of Monte Cristo)

-- Ben


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freedom of speech, even if the law forbids it; if public opinion is sluggish, 
inconvenient minorities will be persecuted, even if laws exist to protect 
them." - George Orwell
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