Re: [Full-disclosure] when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom

[Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@xxxxxxxxx>]

Not necessarily.

Look at the effects of people posting DeCSS and the HDDVD keys a while back.

The industry ended up giving in precisely because people said, en
masse, "fuck off".

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> No, it follows the fact that vengeance (the "fuck you" Byron mentioned)
> isn't fruitful to remedy the situation.
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> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@xxxxxxxxx>
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>> What you said doesn't follow.
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>> Making a digital copy isn't burning down a business.  The analogy
>> linking 'piracy' with theft is ludicrous.
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>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@xxxxxxxxx>
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>> > Byron, you don't protest to the government by burning down 100-year-old
>> > business, if you know what I mean...
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>> > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:12 AM, Byron L. Sonne <byron.sonne@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > wrote:
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>> >> The thing that makes me laugh about all of this, and one of the key
>> >> things I learned from reading Gibbon's Decline & Fall is this:
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>> >> The number and frequency of laws passed regarding things directly
>> >> relates to how widespread these things are, and how they much the laws
>> >> are ignored and ineffective. Laws can't prevent a damn thing, they can
>> >> only specify remedies. As it is said, "it's only illegal if you get
>> >> caught".
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>> >> The cat is out of the bag and will never be put back in. There's no way
>> >> to stop people from 'illegally' copying copyrighted material.
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>> >> If they somehow managed to require and implement tech so that perfect
>> >> digital copies can't be made (unlikely) then people will simply use a
>> >> camera to record the video as it plays on the screen. Hey, wait a
>> >> minute, that sounds just like that screener I downloaded someone taped
>> >> in Russia! ;)
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>> >> If they manage to require and implement tech so that you can't trade it
>> >> over the internet (unlikely) then people will simply trade it on
>> >> private
>> >> networks or, like we used to do in the old days, via sneakernet.
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>> >> The problem is that in an attempt to control the dissemination of
>> >> copyrighted material (and people are right, artists do have a right to
>> >> reap the benefits of their effort) the powers-that-be are stepping over
>> >> the line and into territory that impacts our ability to communicate in
>> >> the fashion we choose.
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>> >> It might be fine to try and prevent piracy but in the process of doing
>> >> so you are trashing the other desires of people that have nothing to do
>> >> with piracy.
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>> >> I'm sure if the copyright lobby had their way, they'd require us to
>> >> wear
>> >> special glasses in order to see our laptop screens, on the assumption
>> >> that anything not explicitly licensed was assumed to be unlicensed, and
>> >> thus pirated, which we would be blocked from our field of view... and
>> >> as
>> >> a result, some girl/guy who wants to write a simple freeware text
>> >> editor
>> >> now has to jump through regulatory hoops and spend money to obtain a
>> >> special registration that allows their text editor to display to the
>> >> screen. This is a cheesy example, but I think it makes the point.
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>> >> In the guise of 'protecting artists and businesses' what is happening
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>> >> that the powers-that-be are requesting (and too often getting) powers
>> >> that allow them to trample on the general idea of freedom of
>> >> communications and other things people cherish.
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>> >> As a result, people are inclined to engage in the very behaviours that
>> >> elicited the laws and crackdowns, quite simply, as a way to raise their
>> >> middle finger and say "Fuck You".
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>> >> This is when piracy and theft becomes freedom of expression - when it's
>> >> done in protest.
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