Re: [Full-disclosure] when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom

["Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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>On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:06:28 GMT, Michael Schmidt said:
>> You want to be very careful with that line of thought. You are taking
>> the creator the rightful owners profits, which they are entitled to if
>> it is a product they created to be sold.
>
>You might want to go read "Courtney Love Does The Math", and then ask
>yourself the following:
>
>1) You can make a case that if you copy an album intead of buying it, you're
>depriving somebody of profits.  But what if it's an album that you would *not*
>have bought at full price anyhow?  Or one that you bought used (see "first
>sale principle")?

These arguments do more harm than good.  You can't base property law on what 
people may not have done (of course there are "not paid your taxes" etc - let's 
not get tied down with that).  I'm actually surprised you made that comment.   
I have a product that I own the rights to.  If you don't feel like paying full 
price, then don't buy it.  You go down the street and buy a similar product for 
less money.  That way I don't make money, and my competitor has.  If this 
happens enough, I go out of business as an effect of how the market works.  But 
if you were not going to pay full price, that doesn't give you any right to 
steal it.  That is simply absurd.  

Now, many in the music industry have openly stated (I've heard anyway) that 
internet piracy is good for business.  People hear music they wouldn't have 
heard, and buy the album.  I've done this myself, and I agree with it. But 
whether or not the behavior ends up benefiting the industry or not is 
irrelevant; I've still broken the law.  

That's where is should end, but it doesn't.  Sharing music not purchased is 
already illegal.  The companies already have legal remedies available.  
Unfortunately, the industry lobbyists have convinced lawmakers that the action 
already being illegal isn't enough - they now want the legislative body to 
ENFORCE the law for them by giving execution rights to the plaintiff.   That is 
freaking nuts.   What should happen is that those who do not innovate in music 
distribution and rights management pay to see the legal process through.  Then 
we're back to the first example where they would end up spending too much money 
on legal fees and go out of business where the guys who figure out a cool DRM 
scheme for sampling, sharing, etc end up making money, and the market takes 
care of its own.

It's far easier and cheaper to get inept and ignorant legislators to extend 
judgment into enforcement with new laws. 

>2) Who gets those profits, the artist, the label, or the RIAA?  Are you 
>stealing
>profits from the artist, or are you stealing them from somebody else who was
>attemting to steal them from the artist?

The fun begins when the record companies start sniping each other.  Remember 
when The Verve got their pants sued of by the Rolling Stones copyright holder 
for "Bittersweet Symphony"?  It was a clean cut case of copyright infringement. 
 What if SOPA or the next round of it does pass - will ABKCO Records legally be 
able to get Hut Records entire web site shut down?

The main point here is that legal remedy for property rights already exists, 
and the holders of those rights should be required to exercise due process just 
like everyone else.

t



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