just one question
why should they hire the "skiddies" if most of them
only know how to fire up sqlmap or whatever current app
is hot right now?
doesnt really seem like enough reason to hire anyone
besides im not buying the whole "they do it because
they are angry at society" plop
ive been there.. they do it for the lulz
Den 11. jan. 2012 06.18 skrev Laurelai
<laurelai@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:laurelai@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>:
On 1/10/12 10:18 PM, Byron Sonne wrote:
>> Don't piss off a talented adolescent with
computer skills.
> Amen! I love me some stylin' pwnage :)
>
> Whether they were skiddies or actual hackers,
it's still amusing (and
> frightening to some) that companies who really
should know better, in
> fact, don't.
>
And again, if companies hired these people, most of
whom come from
disadvantaged backgrounds and are self taught they
wouldn't have as much
a reason to be angry anymore. Most of them feel
like they don't have any
real opportunities for a career and they are often
right. Microsoft
hired some kid who hacked their network, it is a
safe bet he isn't going
to be causing any trouble anymore. Talking about
the trust issue, who
would you trust more the person who has all the
certs and experience
that told you your network was safe or the 14 year
old who proved him
wrong? We all know if that kid had approached
microsoft with his exploit
in a responsible manner they would have outright
ignored him, that's why
this mailing list exists, because companies will
ignore security issues
until it bites them in the ass to save a buck.
People are way too obsessed with having
certifications that don't
actually teach practical intrusion techniques. If a
system is so fragile
that teenagers can take it down with minimal effort
then there is a
serious problem with the IT security industry.
Think about it how long
has sql injection been around? There is absolutely
no excuse for being
vulnerable to it. None what so ever. These kids are
showing people the
truth about the state of security online and that
is whats making people
afraid of them. They aren't writing 0 days every
week, they are using
vulnerabilities that are publicly available. Using
tools that are
publicly available, tools that were meant to be
used by the people
protecting the systems. Clearly the people in
charge of protecting these
system aren't using these tools to scan their
systems or else they would
have found the weaknesses first.
The fact that government organizations and large
name companies and
government contractors fall prey to these types of
attacks just goes to
show the level of hypocrisy inherent to the
situation. Especially when
their solution to the problem is to just pass more
and more restrictive
laws (as if that's going to stop them). These kids
are showing people
that the emperor has no clothes and that's whats
making people angry,
they are putting someones paycheck in danger. Why
don't we solve the
problem by actually addressing the real problem and
fixing systems that
need to be fixed? Why not hire these kids with the
time and energy on
their hands to probe for these weaknesses on a
large scale? The ones
currently in the job slots to do this clearly
aren't doing it. I bet if
they started replacing these people with these kids
it would shake the
lethargy out of the rest of them and you would see
a general increase in
competence and security. Knowing that if you get
your network owned by a
teenager will not only get you fired, but replaced
with said teenager is
one hell of an incentive to make sure you get it right.
Yes they would have to be taught additional skills
to round out what
they know, but every job requires some level of
training and there are
quite a few workplaces that will help their
employees continue their
education because it benefits the company to do so.
This would be no
different except that the employees would be
younger, and younger people
do tend to learn faster so it would likely take
less time to teach these
kids the needed skills to round out what they
already know than it would
to teach someone older the same thing. It is the
same principal behind
teaching young children multiple languages, they
learn them better than
adults.
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