Re: [Full-disclosure] VPN providers and any providers in general...

[Laurelai <laurelai@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 10/4/2011 10:10 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:05 PM,  <Valdis.Kletnieks@xxxxxx> wrote:
>> On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 03:15:02 EDT, Jeffrey Walton said:
>>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Ferenc Kovacs <tyra3l@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> As I mentioned before it is hard to expect that a VPN provider will
>>>> risk his company for your $11.52/month, and maybe they would try it
>>>> for some lesser case, but what Lulsec did was grant, so I'm not
>>>> surprised that they bent.
>>> "Alleged"
>> Yes. So?  In most jurisdictions, "alledged" and "probable cause" is 
>> sufficient
>> to get a court to sign off on a subpoena and/or warrants.
>>
>> "Dear Judge:  On Aug 23, a hacker using the handle "JustFellOutOfTree" did
>> violate Section N, Clause X.Y of the criminal code by hacking into
>> BigStore.com.  The connection was traced back to the provider VPNs-R-Us.  We
>> would like a court order requesting VPNs-R-Us to provide any and all
>> information they may have regarding this user".
>>
>> That will usually do it (after bulked up to about 3 pages with legalese and
>> dotting the t's and crossing the i's).
>>
>> The next morning, the manager at VPNs-R-Us gets to his office, and finds
>> two guys with guns and a signed piece of paper.  At which point one of two
>> things will happen:
>>
>> 1) the guy rolls and gives up all the info.
>> 2) the guy calls his lawyer and makes sure that he gives up all the required 
>> info,
>> and not one byte more.
>>
>> (Option 3 - the guy heads downtown on a contempt of court charge - happens so
>> rarely that it's basically a hypothetical).
> Good point. Bush, Cheney, and other top administration officials were
> indicted in Spain on alleged war crimes. That the administration
> defend its position on torture, I would view it as a tacit admission
> (and drop the 'alleged'). When do you think justice will be served
> upon them?
>
> Jeff
>
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