Re: [Full-disclosure] VPN providers and any providers in general...

[Jeffrey Walton <noloader@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:05 PM,  <Valdis.Kletnieks@xxxxxx> wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 03:15:02 EDT, Jeffrey Walton said:
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Ferenc Kovacs <tyra3l@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> > As I mentioned before it is hard to expect that a VPN provider will
>> > risk his company for your $11.52/month, and maybe they would try it
>> > for some lesser case, but what Lulsec did was grant, so I'm not
>> > surprised that they bent.
>>
>> "Alleged"
>
> Yes. So?  In most jurisdictions, "alledged" and "probable cause" is sufficient
> to get a court to sign off on a subpoena and/or warrants.
>
> "Dear Judge:  On Aug 23, a hacker using the handle "JustFellOutOfTree" did
> violate Section N, Clause X.Y of the criminal code by hacking into
> BigStore.com.  The connection was traced back to the provider VPNs-R-Us.  We
> would like a court order requesting VPNs-R-Us to provide any and all
> information they may have regarding this user".
>
> That will usually do it (after bulked up to about 3 pages with legalese and
> dotting the t's and crossing the i's).
>
> The next morning, the manager at VPNs-R-Us gets to his office, and finds
> two guys with guns and a signed piece of paper.  At which point one of two
> things will happen:
>
> 1) the guy rolls and gives up all the info.
> 2) the guy calls his lawyer and makes sure that he gives up all the required 
> info,
> and not one byte more.
>
> (Option 3 - the guy heads downtown on a contempt of court charge - happens so
> rarely that it's basically a hypothetical).
Good point. Bush, Cheney, and other top administration officials were
indicted in Spain on alleged war crimes. That the administration
defend its position on torture, I would view it as a tacit admission
(and drop the 'alleged'). When do you think justice will be served
upon them?

Jeff

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