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Re: [Full-disclosure] IT security professionals in demand in 2006

I'll second that



-Jeff Wilder
CISSP,CCE,C/EH



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You are confusing terms here I think. VUlnerability Assessment = scanner tools

Pen-Test = actual skill.  At least thats how those consultants with a
clue should be selling it.  A Vuln Assessment has value, but can be
done by anyone.  A Pen-Test, takes a lot more time, the value is
aguable, and only the skilled can actually do them.

On 12/4/05, sk <sk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> CISSP is bullshit. as eeye said 99% of the security consultants do their
> pen-tests with automated tools which is pathetic in my opinion.
> if you cant write exploits, you are no professional, more like a steam
> blower. how can someone be professional when he doesnt
> even understand how an exploit works in deep? what if there are custom
> scripts or exotic daemons installed? without beeing able to audit
> code and understand how certain bugs are beeing exploited, how can someone
> think he got enough clue to do a professional security audit?
> its just a rip off of the customers as simple as that. or would you pay
> someone to run an automated tool against your host, sit back and wait
> till a nice pdf statistic is generated so he got something to present to
> you? of course you wouldnt. in the 90s the people still had to learn on
> their own and all the mainstream hackers who speak at your conventions didnt
> learn their knowledge from stupid class rooms.
> everyone who thinks hes a security professional or even a hacker after he
> made some certs, is just living in a dream world.
> then again the media plays well with the steam blowers so they can make a
> nice living..
> sorry i just had to say that since its going on my nerves how all these
> people suddenly think their stupid certs make em special, but then if
> it comes to knowledge everyone is cluless...
>
> -sk
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