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Re: [Full-Disclosure] JAP back doored 

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Azerail wrote:<br>
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      <pre wrap="">Why is the state of Germany trojanizing applications which may be run by
anyone on the planet? 

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    <pre wrap="">because this application was used to commit a bad crime - child pornography.
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And what's next?  Kazaa? IRC? (lord knows IRC can be used to
facilitate crime) </pre>
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These services are monitored since years.<br>
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  <pre wrap="">A "bad" crime is simply a way to introduce the idea
to the general populance with a crime that elicts support, and then
gradually, it's used to encompass other crimes. </pre>
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Yes every tool can be mis-used in one or another direction. In my eyes
fighting child pornography justifies the step to observe a connection.<br>
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  <pre wrap="">Personally, I don't
like the idea of a anon proxy service rolling over and not informing
users, regardless of the crime "some" users may have been committing.</pre>
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I totally aggree with you that the users should have been informed -
even if it perverts the idea of observation. It is absolutely not ok to
pretend anonymity and not providing it. But Drew was arguing against
the german government and I still think it was correct what they did:
They heard about a crime and tried to prosecute it.<br>
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Azerail

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/Felix<br>
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