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Re: [Full-disclosure] Mavericks...less then a bargin?

<html><body><div>Obviously they expect you to surrender the info in the sake of 
simplicity and usefulness. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>They swear the can't 
read your 
stuff:</div><div><br></div><div>http://www.apple.com/apples-commitment-to-customer-privacy/</div><div><br></div><div>"They".</div><div><pre
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Joel Esler</pre></div><div><br>On Oct 28, 2013, at 03:30 PM, PuNkErX w 
&lt;punk3rx@xxxxxxxxxxx&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div><blockquote 
type="cite"><div class="msg-quote"><div><div>I usually lurk the list but here's 
my take on it. &nbsp;Using iCloud to sync everything is stupid if you care 
about privacy. &nbsp;Unless you don't mind all your info (especially now that 
you can sync the keychain....) being out there. 
&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>As an old Apple "fanboy" Im disgusted but not 
surprised with the direction they went. &nbsp;Thats why i got out of the Apple 
work when 10.7 dropped.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I host an old macbook 
with 10.6 server that has iCal and address book services to sync stuff between 
10.9 laptop, 10.6 laptop, iphone and ipad. &nbsp;It works for what i need but 
obviously it isnt for everyone.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Im looking at 
other alternatives for all in one type deals but it seems every "cloud" service 
pretty much sells your info in one shape way or form. 
&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>So you dont need to use icloud at all but it 
appears you will need a third party server to sync stuff. &nbsp;Yet another 
step back asswards for the industry. 
&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><br><br><br></div><div><br>On Oct 28, 2013, at 
10:43, <a href="mailto:silence_is_best@xxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
data-mce-href="mailto:silence_is_best@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>silence_is_best@xxxxxxxxxxxx</a>
 wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span style="font-family: 
Arial; font-size: 13px;" data-mce-style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 
13px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px;" 
data-mce-style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px;">The functionality of 
syncing contacts/calendar is MISSING in iTunes...gone...poof...Casper...out of 
luck....plug in your iDevice on the latest, then check it out...you can sync 
photos and music, but nothing else...it's a bad scene.<br><br>On Monday, 
October 28, 2013 at 8:34 AM, "Joel Esler" &lt;<a 
href="mailto:joel.esler@xxxxxx"; 
data-mce-href="mailto:joel.esler@xxxxxx";>joel.esler@xxxxxx</a>&gt; 
wrote:</span></span><blockquote style="border-left:solid 1px 
#ccc;margin-left:10px;padding-left:10px;" data-mce-style="border-left: solid 
1px #ccc; margin-left: 10px; padding-left: 10px;"><div><div><div>What happens 
when you refuse to sign up for iCloud?</div><div><br></div><div>&lt;sent from 
my iCloud account&gt;</div><div><pre style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, 
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Joel Esler</pre></div><div><br>On Oct 28, 2013, at 08:09 AM, <a 
href="mailto:silence_is_best@xxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
data-mce-href="mailto:silence_is_best@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>silence_is_best@xxxxxxxxxxxx</a>
 wrote:<br><br></div><div><blockquote><div class="msg-quote"><span 
style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;" data-mce-style="font-family: Arial; 
font-size: 13px;"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;" 
data-mce-style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px;">A warning (disclosure) to 
you Apple people....if you're planning to sync your shiny iDevice with 
Mavericks, you will be FORCED to use iCloud (syncing from your iDevice to your 
iPuter is now gone).&nbsp; I suspect this is one of the reasons why Mavericks 
was a "free" upgrade.&nbsp; Apple probably figured the $40 they'd get from the 
sale of the OS is less then when they'd get with have your calendar and your 
contacts within easy reach.&nbsp; Per their 
policy:<br><br></span></span><h3>What personal information we collect</h3><span 
style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;" data-mce-style="font-family: Arial; 
font-size: 13px;"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;" 
data-mce-style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px;">When you create an Apple 
ID, register your products, apply for commercial credit, purchase a product, 
download a software update, register for a class at an Apple Retail Store, or 
participate in an online survey, we may collect a variety of information, 
including your name, mailing address, phone number, email address, contact 
preferences, and credit card information.</span></span><p>When you share your 
content with family and friends using Apple products, send gift certificates 
and products, or invite others to join you on Apple forums, Apple may collect 
the information you provide about those people such as name, mailing address, 
email address, and phone number.</p><p><br></p><h3>How we use your personal 
information</h3><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;" 
data-mce-style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px;">The personal information 
we collect allows us to keep you posted on Apple’s latest product 
announcements, software updates, and upcoming events. It also helps us to 
improve our services, content, and advertising. <br><br><br>Nice not to have 
choices ;)<br></span><div 
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