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Re: [Full-disclosure] [OT] Obama said: "American people understand that not everybody's been following the rules"



On 10/14/2011 2:25 PM, Christian Sciberras wrote:
Resorting to personal attacks? Nice.

Technical skills in what? Running a wordpress blog? Defacing a website? Growing pot?

I rarely publicise any materials, most of the time I just tell whoever is responsible to do a fix.
I'm not really running after publicity, unlike you guys.
Also note that I never said I'm a seasoned hacker... in fact, my occupation is quite on the opposite side of the spectrum...

You also seem to know more than I do what the Ubuntu VM I have contains.

But that must make all the difference! I mean, people that don't know qubits from bits shouldn't be allowed in such discussions
(of course there's wikipedia...)




On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Georgi Guninski <guninski@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:guninski@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

    Christian Sciberras,

    I have trouble judging your technical skills - all I have seen is
    bad smalltalk.

    Do you have any technical publications you can share so I can judge?

    btw, the best i found was you could could reproduce a bug in a CMS
    and in addition you can't tell root from user password on vanilla
    ubuntu.

    --
    joro

    On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 02:11:13AM +0200, Christian Sciberras wrote:
    > > So if they cause damage for profit that makes it ok?
    >
    > No. But it's certainly better than doing damage without profit.
    Making
    > profit means that at the end of the day, the money's going to go
    somewhere
    > further in the chain.
    > Flattening a tower, for instance, or attacking the local bank
    that refused
    > to give you a loan because of the time you spent in a cell, isn't as
    > productive.
    > Neither is it making a company loose clients/profit just because
    they
    > decided they don't want you to use their services (as if you did
    have a
    > right in the first place...).
    >
    > > And yes I acknowledge the American public has a measure of
    responsibility
    > in the situation too, human beings are by nature imperfect, but
    the largest
    > share of responsibility lies with the names listed below.
    >
    > The largest share? I can see Ex-president Bush trying to sell
    you a bottle
    > of beer for $10 dollars ($7 profit). Wait, I can't.
    >
    > > That sort of thing has happened to me and I paid back every
    dime of it,
    > most people are decent human beings and would do the same.
    >
    > Most people? I could have sworn 90% of the people in the NYC
    subway would
    > thank $deity if you suddenly dropped dead so they could get
    things off you.
    > Call me cynical, but I wouldn't trust anyone else in such cases,
    other than
    > myself.
    >
    >
    > Regarding that list of yours, great! Now we just need a little
    more effort.
    > For each of those persons, please enlighten us as to what they
    did legally
    > wrong.
    > Of course, the people that landed in jail shouldn't be counted.
    The "99%
    > protest" is a modern one committed to change, it just can't
    right wrongs by
    > pointing at jailed people.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Laurelai
    <laurelai@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:laurelai@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
    >
    > >  On 10/13/2011 9:18 AM, Christian Sciberras wrote:
    > >
    > > I simply acknowledge the fact that some people work hard to
    get "obscenely
    > > rich", but I just can't stand people that cause damage for the
    fun of it.
    > >
    > >  So if they cause damage for profit that makes it ok?
    > >
    > >  Yes, I stick for everyone that minds his business, instead of
    ruining
    > > others' for the fun of it.
    > >
    > >  What bothers me is the fact that those hypocrites
    (protesters) are crying
    > > out loud against some people they're highly envious of with
    the excuse of
    > > "the depression".
    > > Well, here's the news; the famous depression has been brought
    about by
    > > these same people!
    > >
    > >
    > > And yes I acknowledge the American public has a measure of
    responsibility
    > > in the situation too, human beings are by nature imperfect,
    but the largest
    > > share of responsibility lies with the names listed below.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >  If someone above is collecting free money because of
    incentives for
    > > people to spend money (and which seem to work well), I can't
    blame him.
    > >
    > >  Yes because trickle down theory worked *so* well
    > >
    > >  How many times in your life have you paid back something you
    received by
    > > mistake and which wasn't yours?
    > > While I would foremost applaud anyone that would right such a
    wrong, I just
    > > can't ignore the fact that those people out there representing
    the "99%" are
    > > big-time hypocrites.
    > >
    > > That sort of thing has happened to me and I paid back every
    dime of it,
    > > most people are decent human beings and would do the same.
    > >
    > >
    > >  On a different argument, since you seem to know well enough
    how some of
    > > the 1% are doing immoral things, why don't you start by
    handing out names
    > > instead of talking air just as the "99%" crowd has been doing
    up till now?
    > >
    > > *Alan Greenspan, chairman of US Federal Reserve 1987- 2006
    > > **Mervyn King, governor of the Bank of England
    > > **Bill Clinton, former US president*
    > > *Gordon Brown, prime minister*
    > > *George W Bush, former US president*
    > > *Senator Phil Gramm
    > > **Abby Cohen, Goldman Sachs chief US strategist
    > > **Kathleen Corbet, former CEO, Standard & Poor's
    > > **"Hank" Greenberg, AIG insurance group
    > > **Andy Hornby, former HBOS boss
    > > **Steve Crawshaw, former B&B boss
    > > **Adam Applegarth, former Northern Rock boss
    > > **Dick Fuld, Lehman Brothers chief executive
    > > **Ralph Cioffi and Matthew Tannin
    > > **Lewis Ranieri
    > > **Joseph Cassano, AIG Financial Products
    > > **Chuck Prince, former Citi boss
    > > **Angelo Mozilo, Countrywide Financial
    > > **Stan O'Neal, former boss of Merrill Lynch*
    > > *Jimmy Cayne, former Bear Stearns boss
    > > **Christopher Dodd, chairman, Senate banking committee (Democrat)
    > > **Geir Haarde, Icelandic prime minister
    > > **John Tiner, FSA chief executive, 2003-07*
    > >
    > >
    > > Oh yeah and lets not forget about this guy
    > >
    
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877337,00.html
    > > And while he is thankfully spending time in a prison cell, so
    many other
    > > names on this list go free, in fact a good chunk of them made
    a profit off
    > > of the disaster.
    > >
    > >
    > >

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Lets keep the discussion above the belt guys ok?

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