Re: [Full-disclosure] “We keep wiping it off, and it keeps coming back”

[Michael Schmidt <mschmidt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I have no idea, I assume – this is usually what they mean when they talk about 
an “air barrier”

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Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] “We keep wiping it off, and it keeps coming back”

As someone kind of young (and thus no historical recollection), I'm kind of 
surprised that this is talked about in past-tense. Does this not happen 
anymore? I could see how this could get super annoying after awhile.


On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Michael Schmidt 
<mschmidt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:mschmidt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I know in the old days (15 years ago) – there were networks that were 
completely separate from the outside world. I remember trying to do telephone 
tech support to someone on a secure network…

Tell him to do “this”
He puts down the phone, goes through physical security, tries “this”
He comes back though security picks up phone talks to me.

Security allowed nothing that looked like portable storage in or out of the 
secure area.

Rinse.
Repeat.

Couldn’t even place outside voice calls from the secure network area. I don’t 
know if they do this today. I also know that there used to be setups with 
removable hard drives where one drive connected you to the secure network and 
yet another drive connected to the unsecure network. – Two different network 
cards each enabled for different networks.

The good old days

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Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] “We keep wiping it off, and it keeps coming back”

Consider the source.  It’s “someone close” to the operations, and that only 
according to this guy.  It could very well be a slot-puller in the casino 
across the street…   I’m always dubious of the reporting of this type of thing 
where the source is some “secret” person, and where there is never any ability 
to refute claims.

t

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Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] “We keep wiping it off, and it keeps coming back”

I'm talking more about their engineers than their network.

If I had my network infected with a virus, I'd immediately deploy some form of 
logging/monitoring tool (eg, wireshark).

Honestly, it all sounds like they're employing inexperienced engineers. Which 
is again strange, considering the field they're in.

Regarding your bet, see that's already something. Why exactly can't they verify 
your bet? It isn't like viruses suddenly became invisible, is it?

I'm just curious to these questions. It's strange to hear someone saying "we 
basically have no idea what's going on".


On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Michael T 
<mt2410689@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:mt2410689@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
It's a network that's 'detached', or 'segregated', or whatevered from the rest 
of the world, so it's 'largely immune to viruses'.  That likely means they have:
1. NO logging
2. NO anti-virus
3. NO hardening

The very fact that these systems are on a segregated network means they are 
probably more frail, and more susceptible to viruses, than a normal person's 
laptop.

Immune to viruses...  What a crock of shit.  My bet is that it's coming from 
the planes.

Mike
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Christian Sciberras 
<uuf6429@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:uuf6429@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/10/virus-hits-drone-fleet/

This is news to me.

Moreover, I'm a bit confused as to how they don't track how it's coming back.
I mean, how is it possible that no one stepped in and analyzed how the virus 
acts and where it came from?

It sounds fish if you ask me.

Chris.

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