No, you are wrong.
Either; the vpn provider complied with court order, or they face the
legal ramifications of not doing so. User location is irrelevant.
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:04 PM, xD 0x41 <secn3t@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:secn3t@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
indeed :)
but, it is how a proper anon person would operate, well, tht is
how i once did...
anyhow, it is to broad, and, yes, i qwould never believe in
bulletproof, unless i have used it maybe, for 10yrs, thru 10
botnets ;P wich, is very rare but funnily, possible.
webhosters, are even more corrupt and better at hiding data.. face
it, if the vpn provider had not shat themself, then it would be a
non story.
On 29 September 2011 23:00, Benji <me@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:me@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
'Abuse' emails and court orders are very different.
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, xD 0x41 <secn3t@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:secn3t@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
err, you are limited in those countries dude... id really
checkup on that ... maybe some but, yea i agree, i dont
think any hosting is anon, but, i sure know i have kept an
anon dedis in past, and was VERY easy to avoid handing
anything over. Unless they had personally seized from my
company, i was allowed to basically get away with, and if
i want to, again, could do the same 'anonymously' and,
indeed keep those details, away.
it is not frigin hard dude, where did Yyou get the idea,
that is not hard to move a user around boxes :P
and rename them, etc etc etc, always change ipv6
tunnels... there is somany ways, you obv have not ran a
dedicated server in a company environment coz boi, they
hide nets on legit hostin now, legit apparently*
companies...and they do it using those simple means, and,
even show logs of them 'removing and deleting' files of
the apprent 'bad user' , this is, a whole different level
than even needing to deal with cops.. so, you are scared
too much by laws wich can be smokescreened.
Run a dedis, or simply ask a admin, howmany abuse they
get, and howmany users they actually rm ;)
you would want this service, on your vps ?
i surely wouldnt,. i know, with me, if i offer anon, you
stay damn anon, if you bring cops to MY HOUSE, then i may
have to try and, simply keep my darn data secure ey ?
how about that ?
simple methods, defeat simple plans benji.
xd
On 29 September 2011 22:53, Benji <me@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:me@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Yes they do. If you buy a server in America for
example, even if you are located in Russia, they are
required by federal law to hand over your details
wherever you may reside. I dont know where you've
obtained this idea that they can't.
Just because something is advertised as 'anonymous'
doesnt mean it's 'so anonymous you can break the law'
and anyone using a EU/US-related country to do this is
either stupid or naive.
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:50 PM, xD 0x41
<secn3t@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:secn3t@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
They advertised as anonymous VPN to 'everyone'.
Then, that would mean, especially NOT locally,
thats something wich is also, subject to federal
laws though so, in its own country, the provider
may have to, nomatter whats advertised, BUT
outside of country customers, should not be handed
over.
isp's here dont do it, and havent, for like 20
yrs, they also do not take down people,issue nor
execute other peoples 'takedown orders', there is
many reasons for this but basically, they loose
money from it.
Anyhow, in UK, you maybe right, but outside of
there, then, they should have maybe not advertised
as anononymous vpn services for everyone and
anyone. thats obvious crap we know now.
anyhow, cheers,
xd
On 29 September 2011 22:45, Benji <me@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:me@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Im sorry, why is it 'worrying' that a vpn
provider that was a UK business and was
located in the UK, is subject to UK law?
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Darren Martyn
<d.martyn.fulldisclosure@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:d.martyn.fulldisclosure@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Again, I hope this does not fail to send.
The reasoning behind the "Pure Elite"
recruitment channel was A: to recruit some
talented people (and, by all accounts,
there were some talented programmers
there) and B: development and idle talk.
Now more interesting was the reasoning
behind the name - by putting the
developers and coders and potential
recruits in a channel named "Pure Elite",
it was essentially an ego boost for the
new guys, made them feel valued, etc, when
in fact most were but pawns to be used (IMHO).
This co-operation between VPN providers
and LEO, while being nothing new -
remember how hushmail caved in - is indeed
worrying for those of us who are privacy
advocates as well as security researchers.
On a more direct note, Laurelei, do not
presume that you know all there is to know
about them. Doing so would be foolish.
(Now don't go assuming that I hate you, I
bear you bugger all ill-will, etc).
Good day.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:44 AM, Laurelai
Storm <laurelai@xxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:laurelai@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Its all good dude. What really
concerns me is that vpn providers
might give over logs to oppressive
regemes. TOR is starting to look
better and better.
On Sep 27, 2011 11:40 PM, "GloW - XD"
<doomxd@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:doomxd@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> never did... was only for one
buttcheek kid that i was alittle
pissed and
> thinking things wich, prolly were
wrong at the time...
> I am adult enough to apologise for
what happened back then, and hopefully it
> is just, cool.
> :)
> cheers, your loved by many, you just
have many trollers to :sp
> take care ,
> xd
>
>
> On 28 September 2011 14:32, Laurelai
Storm <laurelai@xxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:laurelai@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
>> Im suprised, someone on the
internet who *doesn't * hate me :p
>> On Sep 27, 2011 11:29 PM, "GloW -
XD" <doomxd@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:doomxd@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> > Hello Laurelai ,
>> > Oh i agree it is still a terrible
precedent to be set.. I dont even know
>> > where, legally, i stand anymore...
>> > It is rather disturbing, nomatter
WHO it was laurela.
>> > I am all for the hatred against
the VPN provs, and this is not just
>> > happening here, and i made a BIG
statement about this, and privacy, in my
>> > channel on efnet, first as i saw it.
>> >
>> > Then saw a torrentfreak feed,of
someone who was an owner of a huge
>> torrent
>> > site, was handed to authorities,
not by the hoster, no... but by the
>> > frigging payment handler, ie
paypal or alertpay most likely.
>> >
>> > This is not good, it makes a grey
could now over what is 'anon' and what
>> > isnt. and thats a bad thing for
us all.
>> > To much fraud is causing this,
thats plain and simple.Abusing places like
>> > Sony, and, major banks, only make
the authorities turn to politics, whom
>> in
>> > turn can bully with federal and
state laws of ANY country, i think this
>> is
>> > the dangerous part wich is
affecting lulzsec members or whoever
was apart
>> of
>> > it, and, i mean efnet is no
recruiting grounds for decent hkrs.
>> > Simple as that, you know it,
maybe thru word of mouth ok, but not alone
>> by
>> > being in channels but that
network, is one federal hideout
now..and, that
>> is
>> > every channel, if it is not being
spied (yea they have a module
>> > m_spychannel.c or similar, wich,
they actually had without realising,
>> asked
>> > a friend, to code for them.
>> > This was rejected by me/her,but i
believe they have the module running
>> now.
>> > So, what was to stop them adding
theyre own hidden spy mode to it :s look
>> at
>> > what they did to my old channel
#haqnet, they introduced drinemon and a
>> > bunch of other things, when it
could have been simply worked out with
>> > words.. but anyhow, i will not
brood on the past, i hope this is mutual
>> > Laurelai, I have nothing bad to
say about you, and in turn, expect the
>> same.
>> > Respect for respect dear.
>> > I do agree with you about the
situation and, as you can see, am not
>> holding
>> > 9undisclosed) crappy things wich
happened along time ago, over one
>> idiotic
>> > kid, on efnet, whom now i know
you do not associate with. So, i want
>> that,
>> > to be laid rest now.. please.
>> > And, we can only hope that the
greater common sense will prevail and
>> > hopefully, places will be forced
to proove anonymity in some way, wether
>> > that be by showing people email
interaction with requester's of peoples
>> > info, or anything simple even,
wich would be then a standard for VPN, I
>> do
>> > not use them but, if i bought
anonymous vpn, id expect exactly
>> that,without
>> > political interaction and grey
areas about who and what is now legal and
>> not
>> > legal on the internet, on
chatrooms, and on even websites.
>> > ok, thats plenty, cheers!
>> > xd
>> >
>> >
>> > On 28 September 2011 13:41,
Laurelai <laurelai@xxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:laurelai@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 9/27/2011 10:10 PM, sandeep k
wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Lolz members was really insane
,i m not why to use that crapy hma.
>> >> On Sep 27, 2011 8:36 PM, "Ferenc
Kovacs" <tyra3l@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tyra3l@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >> > yeah, and usually the same
goes for calling others "kids" ;)
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:30
PM, GloW - XD <doomxd@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:doomxd@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >> >> #pure-elite , rofl... yes
indeed :P
>> >> >> hehe... nice story
tho...funny about the elite channel
thing... why
>> do
>> >> ppl
>> >> >> tag themselves as elite?
usually when they are not...
>> >> >> ohwell, thats efnut :s (irc
sucks)
>> >> >> xd
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 27 September 2011 19:03,
Darren Martyn
>> >> >>
<d.martyn.fulldisclosure@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:d.martyn.fulldisclosure@xxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Hope this sends correctly,
new email client and all... But seeing as
>> it
>> >> is
>> >> >>> an international
investigation many people have been
bending over
>> >> backwards
>> >> >>> to assist LEO on this. HMA
and perfect privacy were the VPN's of
>> choice
>> >> for
>> >> >>> them it would appear, oh,
and he was part of the #pure-elite channel
>> on
>> >> that
>> >> >>> IRC server, and hence,
considered by LEO and others as "Part of
>> >> LulzSec".
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> TL;DR, this is nothing new.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:53
AM, Laurelai Storm <
>> laurelai@xxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:laurelai@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> And the guy wasnt even a
part of lulzsec
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Sep 26, 2011 10:37 PM,
"Jeffrey Walton" <noloader@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:noloader@xxxxxxxxx>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at
8:47 PM, Ivan . <ivanhec@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ivanhec@xxxxxxxxx>>
>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >>
>>
http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/VPN-provider-helped-track-down-alleged-LulzSec-member-1349666.html
>> >> >>>> > Though HMA claims they
complied with a court order, it looks as
>> if
>> >> >>>> > they facilitated a law
enforcement request. The US and the FBI
>> have
>> >> no
>> >> >>>> > jurisdiction in the UK.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > Jeff
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >
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>> >> ground, though only 6 people
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