Re: [Full-disclosure] The Cyber War Conspiracy

[Sam Haldorf <sahalderf@xxxxxxxxx>]

Why do you speak of yourself in quotes? It makes you look batshit insane.

Andrew Wallace sounds like a terrorist. He's psychologically projecting.

n3td3v could be a legitimate cyber threat, in my opinion. He's a _creepy_ 
person.

--- n3td3v <xploitable@xxxxxxxxx> schrieb am Fr, 4.12.2009:

Von: n3td3v <xploitable@xxxxxxxxx>
Betreff: Re: [Full-disclosure] The Cyber War Conspiracy
An: "Sam Haldorf" <sahalderf@xxxxxxxxx>, full-disclosure@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Datum: Freitag, 4. Dezember 2009, 23:28

You're a paranoid schizophrenic if you think "n3td3v" is all of those
people and / or a threat to anyone.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Sam Haldorf <sahalderf@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> What? Don't contact me you sick pervert.
>
> Someone please find out this subjects address and notify the government of 
> him. Jesus.
>
> Take it from Mr. Wallace, "If you suspect it, report it: 0800 789 321"
>
> n3td3v is probably ureleet, full-censorship, full-disclosure, antisec, jdl 
> and valdis.
>
> Please don't contact me. You're really scary.
>
> Take your medication and kindly leave.
>
> --- full-disclosure@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <full-disclosure@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> schrieb am 
> Di, 1.12.2009:
>
> Von: full-disclosure@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <full-disclosure@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Betreff: Re: AW: [Full-disclosure] The Cyber War Conspiracy
> An: sahalderf@xxxxxxxxx, full-disclosure@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Datum: Dienstag, 1. Dezember 2009, 5:51
>
> I bet you to it mate but good troll attempt all the same ;)
>
> http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2008-September/064425.html
>
> Hey Sam, amma let you finish, but n3td3v was the best troll of all time!
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> From: Sam Haldorf <sahalderf@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: full-disclosure@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: full-disclosure@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: AW: [Full-disclosure] The Cyber War Conspiracy
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:08:49 -0800 (PST)
>
>
> This is just doing too far.
>
> He's obviously a paranoid schizophrenic who uses aliases to bring attention 
> to himself. This means he's a loose cannon. A potential lone wolf terrorist. 
> Who knows, he may decide to do something nasty to bring attention to his 
> causes.
>
> It's obvious as Andrew Wallace's paranoia grows, his interest is going from 
> infosec (trolling FD) to real life. He may to adapt his attention-seeking MO 
> to real life, where he may harm real people. See what I mean?
>
> You know what you have to do.
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/report-n3td3v-to-MI5
>
> Paste his paranoid ramblings in there. This will help the government prevent 
> n3td3v from causing harm. They will keep a good eye on him.
>
> Warning: Do _not_ lie or in anyway misrepresent the truth when reporting him. 
> Just state the obvious if you do infact consider him a threat. Which I 
> obviously do.
>
> Thank you,
> Sam H
>
> --- full-disclosure@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <full-disclosure@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> schrieb am 
> Mo, 30.11.2009:
>
> Von: full-disclosure@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <full-disclosure@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Betreff: [Full-disclosure] The Cyber War Conspiracy
> An: full-disclosure@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Datum: Montag, 30. November 2009, 10:45
>
> It is my understanding the "security industry" would like nothing better than 
> a cyber war to kick off, mass profit, mass employment, mass political capital 
> to hit "cyber security" into the main stream of society to strike at the 
> heart of the single mom and retired couple crowd.
>
> Cyber War is a touchy subject if you ask any "security professional" they 
> don't like people saying straight out "cyber war is bullshit". They get 
> emotional about it, its as if they want it to happen. I see a build up 
> towards "Cyber War", the people in power such as Gadi Evron, he wants a Cyber 
> War its all he talks about. He was the first person to draw conclusions out 
> of fine air and were quick to blame the Russians for Estonia, even though 
> there was no evidence.
>
> Just like 9/11, you knew it was an inside job because they announced within 
> 24 hours they _knew_ it was Al-Qaeda even though they weren't able to stop 
> the attack if they knew so much about it.
>
> Estonia turned out to be a kid in his bedroom with some bot net command & 
> control, not the actual work of a super power.
>
> SANS want Cyber War, they asked the CIA to come to their SCADA conference in 
> 2008 to puke up a bunch of non-sense that Hackers had darkened cities, infact 
> the event never happened or took place it was shear propaganda, misleading 
> bullshit to build up the path for "Cyber War".
>
> "No cyberwar yet, but soon, says firm" a headline says on Securityfocus--- 
> This is a warning that something bad is about to happen. A cyber 9/11? The 
> security industry need cyber war, the hacker scene is falling flat before our 
> eyes there is no spectacular-event happened for a while, virus outbreaks and 
> worms just don't happen like they used to to keep "cyber security" in high 
> profile.
>
> The pro-propaganda for "cyber security" is running out, the security industry 
> is crying out for a cyber 9/11 scale event and thats what scares me.
>
> One of the first things Obama took seriously when he went into the White 
> House was Cyber Security, and remember the Marcus Sachs video even before the 
> election, you could hear it in his words, you could see it in his body 
> language, folks in power in cyber security want to get cyber security into 
> the main stream media. Marcus Sachs asked how can we put cyber security 
> infront of the media? Cyber security isn't something that is talked about in 
> the media, how can we put it infront of the media and the next 
> administration, he said.
>
> I trust Marcus Sachs like I trust a convicted paedophile. People like Joel 
> Esler tried to defend him to me, how can you say such things about such a 
> nice guy. But isn't everyone a nice guy on the surface? It's not until you 
> really dig in and see the other side to a person and everyone has another 
> side to them.
>
> If people like Marcus Sachs are advising Obama right now on cyber security, 
> be afraid very afraid. Remember this is the guy who has a picture of himself 
> shaking the hand of George W. Bush on his home page, and smiling about it.
>
> Because I said all this stuff previously I was attacked on this list, got 
> banned by John Cartwright... there is a cover-up going on. My conclusions 
> aren't sharp but they were on the right course, and they didn't want to risk 
> the chance that I got something accurate, so they setup a bunch of aliases on 
> here to provoke me into "troll style", to get people to think I was just an 
> annoying twat and no value to this mailing list.
>
> The same people tried to say I was some screwball etc, desperately trying to 
> get folks not to take anything I say seriously.
>
> They even tried to say I was anti-sec, yes "Ureleet" alias, remember him? He 
> is to do with people who are involved with the people im accusing of building 
> up towards cyber war. He isn't a random person, he is involved and scared 
> that I or the British government might be onto them, they are running scared. 
> Even the slightest mention of MI5 / MI6 sent them running scared that they 
> have been rumbled and infiltrated by human assets.
>
> I'm serious about cyber security im not a troll and never was, I do have a 
> vested interest in this stuff and I do want to collaborate or get hired with 
> British intelligence to burst this plot wide open and expose the people 
> involved in wanting a cyber 9/11.
>
> So this email address will be banned, more sponsored aliases will come along 
> to make fun of n3td3v, post fake psychological profiles and the such for the 
> next 11 months?
>
> This is people not trying to stop some kid called "n3td3v" this is a mass 
> campaign against me, from the early days of the Neal Krawetz and 
> Securityfocus effort to trash me, to the recent Ureleet and John Cartwright 
> trying to trash me.
>
> Remember that jdl guy at the hushmail address who had the subject header 
> "impersonation is against the law", that was a subject header I had been 
> sending to John Cartwright to get something done about folks, then suddenly 
> the jdl alias comes onto the list with exactly the same header.
>
> Coincidence? is it hell. John Cartwright is in on it, Ureleet is connected to 
> John Cartwright and there is a conspiracy to gag me because I was touching 
> home too many truths about the build up towards cyber war and the people 
> behind the plot for a cyber 9/11.
>
> It's not kids in their bedrooms with the anti-n3td3v aliases, its these guys 
> in the suits conspiring to carry out a cyber 9/11.
>
> The aliases against me, they aren't kids. They are grown men security 
> professionals, the same men who don't like being called out and can't even 
> use their real names in their campaign against me. I openly post with my real 
> name to criticize and still would be using my real name, accept it got banned 
> by John Cartwright, the guy who hides behind grok.org.uk and nobody knows 
> anything about, hiding in the shadows while banning anyone from this list who 
> remotely gets close to the political truth.
>
> If you look back to January 2009 when "n3td3v" got banned it was exactly at 
> the point where I wasn't believing in cyber war. I am the only person to be 
> banned from this mailing list, you've got to ask yourself why. All I done was 
> "full disclosure" which is what this list is about, but the people in power 
> don't like it when its full disclosure of them not other people.
>
> Like the Mossad and Funsec, they don't like that mentioned on full 
> disclosure. It's full disclosure of information, but because it involves 
> something not liked because it exposes them, then its not accepted.
>
> You need to look into the real reasons n3td3v got banned and its nothing to 
> do with what you think is the reason of someone with no value to the mailing 
> list. Who dare say which disclosures are value and who's aren't.
>
> So already you're seeing evidence this mailing list is corrupt and the person 
> running it panicking because his friends over at SANS and other places are 
> being exposed for their crave for cyber war and a cyber 9/11 event to take 
> place.
>
> Valdis isn't a random person either, hes proved hes pro-cyber war with a 
> vested interest against me saying any of this stuff.
>
> Look at the people against me, then investigate their role in the ring of 
> power thats developing in the cyber security vaccum.
>
> This is probably the last you'll see of the real n3td3v because there is sure 
> to be a contract killer out to silence me.
>
> There have already been discreet warnings, like in the mp3 that was posted by 
> <vomithatsteve () yahoo com>, it said mi6 were going to kill me, they 
> actually ment U.S Intelligence, but put MI6 in its place just to screw with 
> British Intelligence even more.
>
> And the warning by - o z - <osgo () hotmail com> and reposted by sahalderf at 
> ymail.com that said "Solutions:  There's a few, but I wouldn't want to be 
> responsible for the end result"
>
> If I was just some kid troll, would any of this have gone on for so long? How 
> many years is it now? There will be no let down, there has been no trolling 
> apart from the times the sponsored aliases have frustrated me into a flame to 
> distract me from posting what I wanted to post that was hitting the political 
> truth too much.
>
> There is more going on than you can see, this is a war at the moment of words 
> because there are vested interest groups out there wanting cyber war to 
> advance the security industry, while there are people like me who are 
> monitoring these guys and seeing their intentions and they don't like anyone 
> who is exposing them and me wanting to stop them from carrying out 
> cyber-war/terrorism to advance the security industry.
>
> Expect more people impersonating me, signing as my real life name etc... mock 
> psycho analysis emails being post by people who are too cowardly to use their 
> real name, they aren't kids, they are the political elite trying to make sure 
> anything I say is trashed.
>
> I am saving the world from the people who claim to be saving the world, but 
> how can they be saving the world if they are planning a cyber event to push 
> forward the advancement of the cyber security industry?
>
> Cue all the sponsored aliases who are out to get me, by the time you read 
> this email address will already be banned.
>
> Just listen to the State of the Internet 2009 panel podcast by SANS, they got 
> an audience to laugh out loud when they kept mentioning my n3td3v name, the 
> recording is available on the internet as a podcast, this isn't just people 
> annoyed about some kid on full-disclosure mailing list, this is part of a 
> sophisticated campaign against me which started in 2006.
>
> This is unprecedented the amount of effort gone into trashing some apparent 
> kid called "n3td3v", if I was just some kid they wouldn't be going to the 
> lengths they have to trash me.
>
> This mailing list is part of corruption, the corruption that is covering up 
> n3td3v and sweeping him under the carpet and throwing him away.
>
> My last words to you is, don't let this matter rest, they have got rid of 
> n3td3v, but there are bound to be people who will investigate what im saying, 
> and I hope they do. Because my last request before I finish this rant is, 
> don't forget the things ive been talking about and continue to investigate 
> people while im gone.
>
> This is serious the political elite are planning a cyber-event and it seems 
> nobody is out to stop it or being proactive about raising concern about it 
> apart from me.
>
> I'm the only one ranting about this stuff, but why haven't we got more people 
> sounding the alarm the alarm that the build up is happening and there is 
> nothing to stop it.
>
> I was banned in January, isn't it strange 11 months later the political elite 
> still have their sponsored aliases trying to run "n3td3v" completely into the 
> ground. They even impersonated my real name and a British intelligence 
> agency, and who's always been right behind anti-n3td3v aliases as a back up 
> reply? Yes Valdis, hes always there, always there to reply to give support to 
> them.
>
> All I say is investigate whats going on against this so-called kid called 
> n3td3v, surely there is more to it than just trying to get me off a mailing 
> list cause of some "noise" excuse.
>
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