Re: [Full-disclosure] A cyber human shield?

[n3td3v <xploitable@xxxxxxxxx>]

"COL. CHARLES W. (CHARLIE) WILLIAMSON III is the staff judge advocate,
Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency, at
Lackland Air Force Base, Texas. He has served as a flight test manager
for small, air-breathing missiles; as a judge advocate at two
base-level legal offices; as a staff judge advocate for two base-level
legal offices; and as the first staff judge advocate for the Joint
Task Force-Computer Network Operations. The views expressed here are
the author's own and do not necessarily reflect those of the Air Force
or Defense Department."

But it takes a faggot like me to point out the biggest error of your article.

All the best,

n3td3v

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:03 PM, n3td3v <xploitable@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> A cyber human shield? A rogue government could take traditional
> military tactics [1] and put them into the cyberspace warfare arena.
>
> This evidently [2] hasn't been thought about after I read the military
> article cited by S/U/N <s.u.n@xxxxxxx>.
>
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield
>
> [2] http://www.afji.com/2008/05/3375884/
>
> All the best,
>
> n3td3v
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: n3td3v <xploitable@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wed, May 21, 2008 at 11:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] pentagon botnet
> To: full-disclosure@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:16 AM, S/U/N <s.u.n@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>> http://www.afji.com/2008/05/3375884/
>>
>
> What if the bot net of the enemy state are hospital computers, will
> you still attack them? What if the bot net of the enemy state are
> power station computers, will you still attack them? Will you risk
> putting civilian life at risk if the enemy state hides their bot net
> in national infrastructure that will make you look the worst if you
> attack them?
>
> Enemy states would end up hiding their bot nets in places you wouldn't
> want to attack... because if you did it would shut down a national
> infrastructure. The enemy states aren't going to have their bot nets
> in home computers with Windows Vista running, they are going to be
> national infrastructure computers that if you attack them will put the
> countries civilians at risk, making you the baddies and them the
> goodies.
>
> You haven't thought things through well enough and the tactics your
> enemy state will use to make you the baddie for attacking their bot
> net, which you will have a hell of a job convincing the single mom and
> retired couple crowd that a hospital or power station was something
> called a bot net which they haven't even heard of a bot net before and
> are told it was attacking pentagon networks or something, which didn't
> affect the single mom and retired couple to begin with, but are told
> its a good idea to shut down a countries hospital or power station
> anyway.
>
> Just trust your government, shutting down a rogue nations national
> infrastructure is in your best interest, even though joe public don't
> know what the hell a bot net is and why that fluffy innocent looking
> hospital or power station was one and that it was attacking the United
> States pentagon networks. Thats really going to go down well with the
> American public who one fifth of have never used or sent an e-mail.
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9946706-7.html
>
> From the American public point of view and the rest of the world's
> point of view it will be US government attacking innocent hospitals
> and power stations that look like its doing nothing wrong from the
> single mom and retired couple prospectus, so how are you going to win
> over hearts and minds that shutting down a countries national
> infrastructure was a good idea, when there is nothing wrong with that
> hospital or power station to the untrained public eye?
>
> You're going to need to educate your citizens first of all what a bot
> net is, and then teach them that an enemy state is hiding rogue bot
> net computers in hospitals and power stations, and that you need to
> attack that infrastructure, and once you've attacked and shut down the
> enemy states hospital and power station that from the untrained eye
> was doing nothing wrong from the prospectus of the one fifth of
> Americans who have never used e-mail before, you'll need to find a way
> of proving that hostpital or power station did have a rogue bot net in
> it and that you weren't just making it up.
>
> There are probably more cunning national infrastructure places your
> enemy state would hide their bot net than just a hospital or power
> station, but those are pretty good standard examples to get your mind
> thought juices flowing. So how are you going to convince joe public
> why you're DDoS'ing eastern countries national infrastructure and its
> citizens are out on the streets protesting because they have no food,
> water, health care, electricity and whatever other thing you attacked
> because the enemy state had placed their rogue bot net computers there
> for the United States to offensively attack?
>
> Those people out on the streets protesting won't even know what a bot
> net is or understand why their power station, hospital or other
> national infrastructure has suddenly stopped working. Try explaining
> that to them and the rest of the world when they are starving and in
> need of world aid organizations to come save their lives.
>
> Its not going to work, so quit this pentagon bot net idea already,
> there is enough carnage and problems in the world without the above
> carry on happening, all because of military bot nets attacking
> military bot nets that are cunningly placed in national infrastructure
> to make whoever attacks it look bad.
>
> All the best,
>
> n3td3v
>

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