Re: [Full-disclosure] on xss and its technical merit

[nate.mcfeters@xxxxxxxxx]

What about when xss leads to stack overflows and command injections?  See 
http://xs-sniper.com.  It would seem that if you subscribe to the thought that 
only attacks that take over a victims computer are valid, then you would have 
to now admit xss as valid as well.

Nate
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-----Original Message-----
From: reepex <reepex@xxxxxxxxx>

Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 13:26:17 
To:full-disclosure@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "pdp (architect)" 
<pdp.gnucitizen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Full-disclosure] on xss and its technical merit


Pdp architect and I have been emailing back and forth about whether xss has a 
place in fd, bugtraq, or the security research area at all.  He decided that we 
should start a discussion about in on here and gets peoples unmoderated 
opinion.  This discussion should not concern whether its important due to 
stealing bank info, paypal, whatever it should only stick to xss as a pure 
research area.  Or as pdp described it: 

"we are talking about whether XSS is as technical as other security 
disciplines. We are also talking about whether it should have a deserved an 
recognized place among FD readers and contributers. however, the topic wont 
cover only whether you can detect or inject  XSS, this is lame. it will cover 
the whole 9 yards... pretty much all the topics covered inside the XSS book." 

My ideas on the topic are 

1) XSS isnt techincal no matter how its used 
2) people who use xss on pentests/real hacking/anything but phishing are lame 
and only use it because they cannot write real exploits (non-web) or couldnt 
find any other web bugs (sql injection, cmd exec,file include, whatever) 
3) XSS does not have a place on this list or any other security list and i 
remember when the idea of making a seperate bugtraq for xss was proposed and i 
still think it should be done.
4) if you go into a pentest/audit and all you get out is xss then its a failed 
pentest and the customer should get a refund. 
5) publishing xss shows your weakness and that you dont have the ability to 
find actual bugs ( b/c xss isnt a vuln its crap )

i think pdp is going to respond first. should be fun ;)
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