n3td3v wrote:
The problem is that thing that go whoosh by on the Internet these days are often pretty out there so often eveyone gets covered by the same broad brush whenver one believes/behaves strongly about something. I haven't followed all of this but if you think you can prove your point or convince some ADA (Assistant DA) to do something go try it. Santa Clara Countys DAs aee known to be gung ho, although in police work it is street work and gangs and all that stuff that is excitintg to them. The arcance goings on in Internet Companies is often seen by them as something that is the proverbial hard nut to crack and so unless it gets attached to some hot button issue like (sigh**3) terrorism then it doesn't go anywhere. Usually such investigations require that computer experts have to be brought in from outside and they have to be dealt with, unless the FBI can be gotten to be interested. Also if the charge is generally that company A's employees or "your" (as in you plural) are in some small cabal stealing company secrets it is often viewed by many law enforcement types as the rough and tumble of business and is seen as halfway "normal" or "disgusting but it's mpt like gang warfare man" or not such a bread and butter of law enforcement sadly like drug enforcement has become. White Collar types never seem really evil unless there is a real Patrick Bateman out there;) too many people. Patrick Bateman is figment of Bret Easton Ellis' imaagfination and that is something one's accusation have to rise above in order to action out of the autorities, in the case here you are talking about ADAs which is assistant district attorneys who are the people you should try to bend the ear of. However mira! vide infra! (Look Out Below!;)On 5/22/06, Michael Silk <michaelslists@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:yep, fd definately needs it's own tv show. i'd watch it ...You think this is a joke? n3td3v was never a joke, but everyone on fd treated it like one. We're the biggest group around of rogue employees at major internet companies aka dot-coms... i'm ready to walk upto my local police sation right now just get hand them in, i'm not having a major breakdown... ive known them for 7 years and now im ready to hand myself in and give evidence against these guys at yahoo _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
So that's what you are up against. That and being labeled as the disgruntled employee who for personal and emotional reasons just wants to bring people down. Many a law enforcement type has got into some investigation beased on someone's say so and they put lots of effort into it and it came to nothing. The Law Enforecemnt types want to know real clear details of wrongdoing, although they will listen a lot sometimes. It has to be something real that has real details that doesn't sound like a movie plot of spooky geek psychos from hells in secret cabals to do spooky stuff a la Swordfish (the movie) which is kind of what your accusations sound like right now to me.
Note a plea from us civil liberties types. If you are serious plesae try to get your facts straight and don't spike it with a hot button issue to get their attention like terroism or child pornography and sex crimes with children or other legal attention getters unless there is factual truth to it. Note even here the powers that be got burned dealing with tech land. Remember the Java CoIventor who the powers that be tried to pretty much harassed because he went to visit some yount thing via his private jet and how there was a big furor and it all fell apart on the authorities side. Note Well from all information we have this was the correct thing because it was just a geek being geeky and running off to see someone he wanted to chat with and din't care if she was 11 or 111 but just had some neat ideas. So please don't spike your ideas with something hot just to get their attention.
right now I will be honestg, it does sound like a conspiracy story with tales of "black hats" and a secert cabal that sets out to get people hired based on their relationship to the secret cabal who are set up to do things based in something liike "black hat social culture" and the accusations is like trrading in yahoo secrets to Google, well without proof the mind boggles. It is not like the internal knowledge of yahoo is state secrets of any of the large powerful countries in the world.
Please done't muddy the water by spreading clouds of unpoved or unprovable accusations, we are already dealing with a word in which hot button issue worriess, like terrorism here, and terrorism and especially paedophilia in the UK have really got prosecutors and The Crown in the UK having too much power already and causing lots of subtle but very real and often very brutal civil liberties erosion and this should be stgopped not fed. A lot of this is based on absurd accusations from people whose idea of reality is very flexible and somewhat questionable. Please don't be one of them. I can understand not wanting to disclose details under the fear thatg things could get hidden but in general I hope you really have more details that your shadowy accusations posted to the list of a secret cabal of black hats doing evil deeds. Please make sure there is something more to this. In the past I have had to sort through questionable dealing and accusations of x against y about z that never did rise to the point where anything should be done and I did in indeed say "No, not on my watch, you need real proof before things can be done..." Anyway Good Luck and make sure you've got a real case, go talk to an ADA and indeed tell us what happened and we will watch and see what happens.
Have Fun, Sends Steve _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/