Re: [Full-disclosure] Vulnerability/Penetration Testing Tools

[greybrimstone@xxxxxxx]

Alright,
 I've made an observation. Full Disclosure is a list where emails and 
subjects evolve into new emails and subjects which are not directly 
related to the first subject or email. For example, this one has 
evolved into a discussion about overhead, development and other such 
things. Really, its quite interesting. ;[

-Adriel

-----Original Message-----
From: Valdis.Kletnieks@xxxxxx
To: Madison, Marc <mmadison@xxxxxxxx>
Cc: full-disclosure@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:14:24 -0500
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Vulnerability/Penetration Testing Tools

On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:13:05 CST, "Madison, Marc" said:
> H D, my apologize. My FD emails were out of order, and I took your
 > response out of context. If your looking for a script that will 
combine
> MetaSploit, and Nessus then BidiBLAH will work. Still for $10 grand I
 > would suggest taking a scripting class at your local college so you 
can
> make your own BidiBlah.
>
> Math:
> BidiBLAH: $10,000
> College scripting class: $350
>
> The knowledge you'll gain for ever, priceless.

 Something to keep in mind however - many people make that comparison, 
and
don't calculate the *TOTAL* cost.

 If your developer is getting paid $60K/year, the *encumbered* cost 
(benefits,
 office, etc) is close to twice that. And if he's writing an in-house 
BidiBLAh,
that's time he's *not* writing stuff you *can't* buy off-the-shelf.
As a result, it breaks out as:

BidiBLAH: $10,000

scripting clss: $350
6 man-weeks time: $15,000

 OK? Got that? Suddenly doesn't look like such a good deal, does it? 
Maybe
 you *should* just buy BidiBLAH, and have that guy coding that custom 
interface
between two in-house systems instead....

 (And don't say "I only pay my developer $30K, so he can take 2 
man-months to
 do it" - the kind of developer you can keep for $30K is probably going 
to take
a lot more than twice as long as the $60K developer.....)

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