Re: [Full-disclosure] Hacking Boot camps!

[InfoSecBOFH <infosecbofh@xxxxxxxxx>]

Bottom line is... and you can ignore the SANS instructor/SANS zealot post...

SANS = SHIT.

Now that I am in a position with my employer to hire and fire
people... I will not even consider an applicant who touts his SANS
certification as something to be proud of or something to make him
more skilled than the next.

And, now that I am in a senior position at my employer, I am doing
everything I can to stop my employer from paying the EXTORTION fees to
SANS in order to be a part of their what works program and any of
their training.

You know what makes me smile everyday... the knowledge in knowing that
I am not the only senior infosec person at a major corporation who
feels this way about SANS.

Fuck SANS.  FUCK EM ALL!

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sans#without

sans    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (snz, sä)
prep.
Without.


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[Middle English, from Old French, blend of Latin sine, without, and
absenti, in the absence of, ablative of absentia, absence from absns,
absent- present participle of abesse, to be away. See absent.]

On 11/23/05, senator.crabgrass@xxxxxxxxxxx
<senator.crabgrass@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Maybe it is not what you know but who you know.  Best of luck with that grail 
> thing, finding it is veiled, holding it is easy, keeping it polished is where 
> the work is.
>
> --
> vote for me
>
>
> > On 11/23/05, senator.crabgrass@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > <senator.crabgrass@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > ... the cert game is nothing more than  a lucrative revenue generator. For
> > either the test givers or the vender pusher or the land of test king.
> >
> > a few respectable names in their roster[1]; i wonder why they don't
> > name the instructor giving each presentation on their conference
> > schedule[2]...
> >
> > i have a theory: the more legitimately skilled you are, the less you
> > instruct and the more you are paid.  a nice way to convert reputation
> > into ca$h!
> >
> > [maybe i can get in on this racket once i attain the holy grail of
> > CPA, GCFW, CISSP, CISM, CISA, CCNA, CCSE, CCSA, GIAC, GCIA, GSNA,
> > GCFA, GCIH, GCUX, GSEC, QUE, WTFBBQ]
> >
> > 1. http://www.sans.org/instructors.php
> > 2. http://www.sans.org/index.php
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