Re: [Full-Disclosure] Hacking into private files, my credit card purchases, personal correspondence or anything that is mine is trespassing and criminal.

[Stormwalker <bruen@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Vincent,

The theft is theft of services, not the TV show. 

                       cheers, bob

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, Vincent Archer wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 11:43:22AM -0500, Ron DuFresne wrote:
> > Vincent, I think you lost track in your reply, he was not talking about
> > braondband cable access to the internet, he was talking about cable TV
> > services being stolen in this case, and the teft of the 'service'.
> ...
> > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Vincent Archer wrote:
> > 
> > > On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 11:41:49AM -0700, Jesse Valentin wrote:
> > > > How about using a digital de-scrambler for cable service? You?re 
> > > > getting something you?re not paying for? isn?t that stealing? True, its 
> > > > not a vital service, but isn?t this still plain ?ol stealing?
> > >
> 
> The initial post was about de-cramblers, i.e. watching TV programs you
> haven't paid a subscription for. It's not stealing. The TV programs you
> "stole" are still there, and every single subscriber had access to them.
> Hence, no theft has occured. Fraud, however, has occured in that case.
> 
> I know habit still puts theft to use where nothing is ever stolen. You
> still talk about "stealing secrets" in espionage, for example. Nothing
> is stolen in that case either. In general, you cannot steal, in the
> real sense of the word, information. But theft is much shorter and convey
> better the sense of badness than "illegal duplication and access".
> 
> 
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