RE: [Full-Disclosure] Wireless ISPs

["Schmidt, Michael R." <Michael.Schmidt@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

It is one part not knowing and one part training. And there will always be the 
people who are just plain and simple too stupid to deal with reality, that's 
where we get drug addicts, drunks and people smoking that last cigarette as the 
take their last breath...  These people are taught, they have been told, but 
they still do stupid things. It's the nature of the beast people, get used to 
it.

Sure a small child would drink bleach cause they didn't know better, but grown 
adults sniff glue and paint, someone somewhere they learned but what?  It 
didn't take.  People are sheep and need to be told what to do, deny it all you 
want but it is the truth.

That's why we require responsibility - or at least registration before we let 
citizens do some things, like drive, like drink, how about getting on the net?

How hard would it be to have a few companies start a "secure" Internet?  All 
access is by licensed know individuals.  No more hacking, no more slacking.  If 
we don't know you, then you don't get access.  If suspicious activity comes 
from you IP you get closed down till we know your machine is safe.  That's 
where I'd go for all of my financial transactions.  The Internet is the Wild 
West and I am only there because it is the only game in town.  And think, with 
a "restart" it could be built right from the start.

Come on people we let terrorists and criminals in on this thing voluntarily.  
How smart are we?

Keeping my home network safe requires way too much freaking time - but since we 
are pioneers I am willing to take a few arrows, but someday this wild and wooly 
place will grow up, become civilized and you'll all start carrying a "Net" 
license in your pocket

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Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Wireless ISPs 

On Wed, 12 May 2004 00:18:37 +0200, Maarten <fulldisc@xxxxxxxxxxxx>  said:

> Who, in their right minds, will read their email anyhow over an unencrypted
> wireless link ?  That's asking for trouble, ie. information-leakage.

The 99.98% of *real* *users* who are so clueless as to not *know* that it's a
bad idea.  How many subscribers on this list?  30K, maybe?  What percent of the
several hundred million internet users is that, anyhow?

Who, in their right minds, would drink bleach out of the bottle under the sink?
 Nobody - but the first thing most parents do is put a *lock* on that cabinet,
or move the bleach, because we know that the toddler *isnt* in their right
mind, and will need several years of learning before they are.

The same exact logic applies when talking about users.  They do things because,
just like the 3 year old, they DONT KNOW ANY BETTER.

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