Re: [Full-Disclosure] Google FILTERS searches for possible DMCAinfringable content!!!

["Kristian Hermansen" <khermansen@ht-technology.com>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "myuu" <myuu@pojo.com>
To: "Kristian Hermansen" <khermansen@ht-technology.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Google FILTERS searches for possible 
DMCAinfringable content!!!


> First off this has been in place for a couple weeks, second it was
> pretty well publicized when it was added.
> 
> Anyway, would you rather not see any notice at all? Seems more
> reasonable that they would at least admit to it.

Even if it is old news, which I was unaware, the Kazaa filtering is new as of 
September 12th.  I can't believe that it is even possible to allow this kind of 
activity.  What is going to happen if this sets a precedent for other 
companies?  I don't want every company in the world writing letters to Google 
referencing the DMCA and not allowing me to get my search results.  That's 
ludicrous!  The internet was created to be a medium for information exchange.  
Google of all people should fight this since they are an information querying 
engine.  What ever happened to the Freedom of Information Act?  Guess it went 
right out the window with all of our civil rights after 9/11...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mary Landesman" <mlande@bellsouth.net>
To: "Kristian Hermansen" <khermansen@ht-technology.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Google FILTERS searches for possible DMCA 
infringable content!!!


> I've noticed this with other searches. In other words, I don't believe this
> is Google's first foray into selective filtering.
> 
> I use Dogpile quite a bit for this very reaso, and have found them in most
> cases to be a better source. (Some things, like group searches, require
> Google).
> 
> Specifically regarding their invoking the DCMA, perhaps they were threatened
> with abetting and their hand was forced. OTOH, other rumors have been
> circulating regarding Google's close ties with the NSA.
> 
> They are a private company, meaning they are largely unaccountable
> (publicly) for their actions, so it's rather difficult to know which side of
> the fence they are sitting on. Certainly this recent decision of theirs does
> not bode well for it being on the side of the users. :-)
> 
> -- Mary

Ties to the NSA?  Where did you hear this?  If it turns out to be true, I will 
no longer be using Google...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Exibar 
To: Kristian Hermansen 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Google FILTERS searches for possible DMCA 
infringable content!!!


I got a hit for Kazaa lite on the first page....are you sure that you're not an 
employee of sharman networks trying to get more searches for Kazaa Lite so it 
will get to the top of Google's listing?   

 sure sounds like it to me.....

Download Kazaa Lite K++ 2.4.2 - Improved version of Kazaa LITE !
... Kazaa Lite K++ 2.4.2, Subscribe to this program, Developer, ... ENGLISH.
A spyware free version of Kazaa, with many improvements ! Kazaa ... 
www.softnews.ro/public/cat/10/6/10-6-25.shtml - 68k - Cached - Similar pages 



Exibar



First of all, I'm NOT an employee of Sharman Networks.  And, you must not have 
noticed that your search yeilded a russian download site with an OLD version of 
the client.  The OFFICIAL page was never revealed to you...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Poof 
To: full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:57 PM
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Google FILTERS searches for possible DMCA 
infringable content!!!


Yeah... But if you read the complaint that they show it gives the URLs there ^^

 

But, yeah, I dislike how the DMCA allows this. =/

 

You can show somebody doing/buying drugs on TV. Which tells people how to get 
them etc. But you can't do the same thing online.

 

Sucks eh?



...Yeah, really sucks...



Kristian Hermansen