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[Full-Disclosure] RE: Certs.
- To: "'Andre Ludwig'" <ALudwig@Calfingroup.com>, "'Disclosure Full'" <full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com>
- Subject: [Full-Disclosure] RE: Certs.
- From: Joshua Thomas <JThomas@poweronemedia.com>
- Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:22:05 -0400
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I agree with your rant, on some level. Some certs are easy to get, and employers are now wary of them. On the other hand, an individual with solid work experience can benefit from a certification. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Someone with no experience and a cert is not going to get taken very seriously. </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Some of the certs are extremely difficult to get, and those individuals rightly deserve the six-digit salaries they get from having them. Have you seen the requirements for the CCIE and the GIAC? Those are some seriously hard certifications. A friend of mine compares the CCIE to obtaining a masters degree. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Some stats I found:</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Total of Routing and Switching CCIEs: 9192*</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Total of Security CCIEs: 222*</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Total of Communications and Services CCIEs: 76*</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>*Does not include CCIE's who have inactive status.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>from: <A HREF="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/learning/le3/le11/learning_ccie_population.html"; TARGET="_blank">http://www.cisco.com/en/US/learning/le3/le11/learning_ccie_population.html</A></FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Cheers,</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Joshua Thomas</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Network Operations Engineer</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>PowerOne Media, Inc.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>tel: 518-687-6143</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>jthomas@poweronemedia.com</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Andre Ludwig [<A HREF="mailto:ALudwig@Calfingroup.com";>mailto:ALudwig@Calfingroup.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 3:33 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: 'Disclosure Full'</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: RE: [fd] RE: [Full-Disclosure] [Fwd: Edwards AFB shut down by</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>W32 Blaster] (fwd)</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2><rant></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>I nominate this thread most useless thread EVAR!</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>With that being said, can you guys please move on, and repeat after me.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>CERTS MEAN NOTHING!</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I know several people who have certs that run *nix machines who are</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>complete idiots for the simple fact that they have not expanded their</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>horizons past a command prompt. I also know people who wouldn't be able to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>properly use dir(or ls) and cd from a command prompt if the fate of the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>world depended on it. So my point is this, shut up already mcse, cissp,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>ccie, ccna, ccnp, and what ever else you have behind your name means</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>absolutely nothing in the real world. Maybe the PHB's in the cube farms and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>offices of Corp America care but lets face it in the trenches letters mean</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>dick. SO stop ragging on MCSE's simply because it is a Microsoft cert, that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>is asinine and completely immature. I mean think of all the business M$ has</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>created, hell if it wasn't for them the INFOSEC field would be 100 or so</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sun consultants running around trying to sell the latest and greatest</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>(please note the sarcasm in that comment, and yes i know it would be a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>totally different market then that). SO be thankful that good ole Billie</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Boy keeps us all so gainfully employed and entertained.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Please take this post for what it is, A RANT!</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Andre Ludwig, M-I-S-S-I-S-S-I-P-P-I <---- 4m 1 l33t n0w?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2></rant></FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Mike Vasquez [<A HREF="mailto:mike@blakogre.com";>mailto:mike@blakogre.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:56 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: 'Disclosure Full'</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Re: [fd] RE: [Full-Disclosure] [Fwd: Edwards AFB shut down by</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>W32Blaster] (fwd)</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>----- Original Message -----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: "Gerald Cody Bunch" <gbunch@gmx.net></FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>> Please define the term real MCSE, being as the first word in the acronym</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> stands for 'Microsoft'</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> it would stand to reason that a real MCSE is nothing more than trained</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> 'Microsoft' marketing monkey.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Gee wiz -- sign me up for one of your logic classes, please. That's</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>brilliant rock solid reasoning.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Not reality based, but on this list, that doesn't matter. :-)</FONT>
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